Monday, February 23, 2009

What's It All About Alfie? Coup de Culture Hitting UK Hard

It has been a very dispiriting experience to see how things are in the UK. The country's leadership seems lost in a fog of relativism and intent to destroy many of the cultural attributes of society that made the country great.

There is the Brave New Britain, oft written of here, of course. But the subject of this post, I think, is a very good example of how the "hedonism" aspect of the coup de culture causes terrible problems--and the leadership that should be striving to reverse things instead keep pushing the very devolution of standards that led to the moaned about problem in the first place.

The country is all atwitter because a 13-year-old boy named Alfie Patten (pictured left) became a father. The lad and his 15-year-old girl friend have had their pictures all over the place with their baby. People are demanding to know how things have come to this pass that children are giving birth, etc.. (There is speculation that Alfie might not be the actual sperm provider since the girl was apparently sleeping with several boys and money is exchanging hands about the story, illustrating another aspect of the problem. But that is no matter to the point of this post.)

With the widespread upset about Alfie in mind, consider the story in the Sunday Times of London yesterday, in which a front page story reported about how the government is urging parents not to teach their kids right from wrong when it comes to sex. From the story:

Parents should avoid trying to convince their teenage children of the difference between right and wrong when talking to them about sex, a new government leaflet is to advise. Instead, any discussion of values should be kept "light" to encourage teenagers to form their own views, according to the brochure, which one critic has called "amoral"...

It advises: "Discussing your values with your teenagers will help them to form their own. Remember, though, that trying to convince them of what's right and wrong may discourage them from being open.
How do they think that is going to help reduce the phenomenon of 13-year-old fathers and 15- year-old girls with several boy friends at once all enjoying "privileges"? If they wanted to produce a society that scratches every itch, indulges every desire, and casts responsibility to the wind, like we increasingly have today, I can't think of a better way to make it so than for parents to stand back indifferently and let children in heat from the hormonal explosion of puberty decide on their own what is right and wrong in sexual ethics. They sure don't do that about smoking tobacco!

It isn't just the sex. It is the symbolic importance of this story, which I think illustrates vividly the collapse of moral and critical thinking in which we are being engulfed. Insanity.

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At February 23, 2009 , Blogger Foxfier, formerly Sailorette said...

Yeash....

How warped the kids must be... not to mention the general culture.

I notice the outrage is that the girl had a child, not that she was sexually active.

 
At February 23, 2009 , Blogger SAFEpres said...

Gee, I didn't know that "openness" meant not having any opinion about what kinds of behavior or beneficial/right and which are dangerous/wrong. Glad we have the NHS to advise us on that.

 
At February 23, 2009 , Blogger SAFEpres said...

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At February 23, 2009 , Blogger SAFEpres said...

P.S.-That poor baby is most likely screwed if they decide to keep it. I hope that they give it up for adoption.

 
At February 23, 2009 , Blogger victor said...

For the record folks it wasn't me that Westley deleted above! :)

Westley, have you been drinking or just picking my brain?

I recall when I was about fourteen years old, we had moved from our ancestors farms into the now city when I was about six and I finally got to play mom and dad with a few of our cousins at the age of fourteen and to make a long story short your above story might have been about us but for some reasons our parents came home early and spoiled all our fun.

Twenty years later I always remembered that and I promised myself that our five girls would never get the chance to come close to the fun I had but I was so wrong. Spiritual Canadian society made sure that I would never forget was I did back then and to make another long story short our Canadian law was changed to say that if any fourteen year old wanted to move in with, let us say a thirty year old man and the family was found not to be conforming to what society thought was proper then that child was allowed to leave home if the boyfriend was to push "IT" that is! That did not happen in my case cause I wouldn’t let it be but in the long run, it came close to taking my life.

I could go on and on, on fire but what good would it really do?

I hear ya Wesley! You better stop now Victor cause my heart really does not want to delete your post again.

Thanks Wesley!

Can I say just one more thing?

Go ahead but make "IT" short!

I thank God that my dad was not born in this generation cause he would have been killed by now because he really was a beast of a man!

Thanks for your comment Victor and please don't call us we'll call you! :)

God Bless,

Peace

 
At February 23, 2009 , Blogger Frugal Dougal said...

Well said Wesley! Instead if getting stuck in ideological arguments about right or wrong, the state needs to be looking at who was involved in the decision to let these kids have sex when they were 12/14, and have all remaining children removed from them. If the mother remains fertile, we are faced with a different class of problem altogether.

 
At February 23, 2009 , Blogger Lydia McGrew said...

On the pamphlet telling people not to tell their kids right from wrong, I'm just saying "wow." I mean, I know this is what liberals have been saying for years--that we shouldn't "impose our values," which ends up meaning we shouldn't really _have_ any values--but to see it made official in the state pamphlet...

What are they going to do next, threaten to take children away from parents who try to tell their kids what is right and wrong when it comes to sex?

 
At February 24, 2009 , Blogger T E Fine said...

Yanno...

If the girl had aborted the baby, none of this would have made the papers. She'd have the abortion, then go on sleeping around, and probably the boy would have, too. His parents let him spend the night at her place, after all. They apparently didn't see anything wrong with it. Probably they were thinking, "At least we know where he is and what he's doing and who he's doing it with."

While I think the kids are misguided and not mature enough to handle being parents yet, I have to applaud their intentions. They're taking a lot more responsibility for their actions than either set of parents did.

 
At February 24, 2009 , Blogger T E Fine said...

P.S. - The only reason this makes news at all is because the little boy wants to be involved in the baby's life and act like a father to her. Kids having sex and abortions as young as thirteen are pretty common these days.

 
At February 24, 2009 , Blogger HistoryWriter said...

What's so astounding about a couple of horny teenagers wanting to explore some of the more interesting things in life? Hey, it could have been much worse: they might have been experimenting with drugs, playing with guns or listening to heavy metal. Too bad they didn't also have the good sense (or information) to prevent a pregnancy.

 
At February 24, 2009 , Blogger Lydia McGrew said...

It's the official anti-values values from the government that are so shocking in the story. As Wesley says, it's heart-breaking to see Britain's leaders deliberately tearing down the country.

I've blogged this at What's Wrong with the World.

 
At February 24, 2009 , Blogger SAFEpres said...

HW-Wesley didn't write that his situation is "astounding," he wrote that this is a bad situation for everyone involved.

Victor-I deleted the comment above b/c I accidentally posted my first comment on this post twice. :)

 
At February 24, 2009 , Blogger victor said...

SAFEpres,

Like our oldest grand daughter who lives with us now always says, "Cool" :)

Peace

 
At February 25, 2009 , Blogger Child of God said...

Sid Vicious of the Sex Pistols might just have been a prophet.

"God save the queen we mean it man
There is no future in Englands dreaming

No future for you no future for me
No future no future for you"

 
At February 27, 2009 , Blogger Ianthe said...

How is this the government' business? Who is writing these pamphlets? Again, too many people with credentials who need jobs and don't know which end is up, and they get jobs, and this is what you get -- pamphlets pushing agendas that said people adopt in order to have a sense of identity as "intelligent" because they are NOT intelligent -- and we pay them and regard them as educated. If the parents were home raising the kids instead of wrapped up in all this careerism there wouldn't BE this kind of situation. And if the idiots who wrote the pamphlets had to be picking lettuce instead of having jobs in government, the parents would be home raising the kids.

 

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