Wednesday, February 06, 2008

Animal Rights Terrorists Close to Killing Someone

I am convinced that unless they change course very soon, animal rights terrorists will soon kill someone. I bring this up because animal rights nuts apparently set fire to the home of Dr. Edythe London:

Authorities are investigating a fire caused by a device left Tuesday at a house owned by a UCLA professor who conducts animal research--the second time the house has been targeted in less than four months. The device was placed Monday morning on the front porch of a Westside house owned by Edythe London, FBI officials in Los Angeles said. London, a professor of psychiatry and bio-behavioral sciences and of molecular and medical pharmacology at the David Geffen School of Medicine at UCLA, uses lab monkeys in her research on nicotine addiction.FBI spokeswoman Laura Eimiller confirmed that officials with the Joint Terrorism Task Force were investigating the incident. "It was ignited and caused damage to the property," Eimiller said. "No one was home at the time and nobody was hurt."
Now some animal rights fanatics will say that setting fire to someone's home when no one is there isn't violence. What garbage. Besides. fires spread. They also require fire fighters to extinguish, and some of these brave men and women die in the effort.

If someone died in such a fire it would be murder under the law. Arson is not mere vandalism. It is terrible criminality, brutal and dangerous. The animal rights movement should rise up and declare unequivocally that such sheer terrorism is utterly unacceptable and cooperate with law enforcement and the FBI to catch the arsonists.

But I predict that most won't, or will praise with mere faint condemenation.

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At February 06, 2008 , Blogger Mort Corey said...

Though it could have been the work of an animal rights nut case, the article really didn't say. It could be something totally unrelated---no?

Mort

 
At February 06, 2008 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

Mort: Highly unlikely. She is the subject of an intense indimidation campaign. Other UCLA animal researchers have had incendiary devises left on their porches, with the terrorists taking credit. Her home was flooded a few months ago.

Now, unless she has some other enemy about whom law enforcement knows nothing, this would sure seem to be part of the campaign.

However, if it turns out there is some terrorist targeting Dr. London who is unrelated to animal rights, I will be sure to post about it here.

 
At February 06, 2008 , Blogger jon said...

Wesley J. Smith said: "If someone died in such a fire it would be murder under the law."

Likewise if I were to take a group of humans, kidnap them from their homes, imprison them, addict them to methanphedimines, then kill them. I would be called murderer too. Yet Edyth London gets away with these very same crimes against monkeys for a living

You can bring up all the hypothetical situations you want and make all the false accusations you wish about the ALF. It still doesn't take away the fact that the ALF has carried out thousands of acts of vandalism, sabotage and arson worldwide and has yet to injure or kill a single person. That is no coincidence. Let's talk about the real terrorists, people like Edyth London who carry out horrific acts of violence and murder against sentient animals on a daily basis.

 
At February 06, 2008 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

Jon: What Dr. London does is not a crime. Monkeys are not people. Beyond that point, ALF has the right to persuade us to outlaw research. They have no right to commit arson.

And the lack of outrage among animal liberationists to such vile criminality committed in their names speaks volumes.

 
At February 06, 2008 , Blogger Don Nelson said...

Jon, you are making excuses for the arson. I think you think they are getting what they deserve. You don't see pro-lifers coming out and change the subject. We condemn it and support prosecution of those who would kill in our name.

I agree that your people's unwillingess to be outraged speaks volumes. You guys support these people. Step up to the plate and condemn it or admit that terrorizing people is okay. It's not like these people are killing HUMAN babies.

 
At February 07, 2008 , Blogger jon said...

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At February 07, 2008 , Blogger jon said...

All the ALF is saying is that life is more important than property, and if destroying property can put an end to an animal industry or directly save the lives of animals it is the right thing to do. There has been a long history of utilizing economic sabotage in the fight for social justice. The abolitionists, suffragettes, and even the American revolutionists employed economic sabotage as a means to fight oppression. Words like terrorist, fanatic, and criminal were used to demonize these people, but in the end history was on the side of the under dog. Some day the ALF will be looked at in the same light as the underground railroad and the Boston tea party. Just face it Wesley your on the wrong side of history.

 
At February 07, 2008 , Blogger Jay Watts said...

Jon,

You fail to address the fact that human beings that have taken jobs as servants to our community are put at risk by these fires. Why should firefighters and innocent neighbors be put at risk? California is prone to wildfires correct? Doesn't this type of vandalism riskt he lives of wild animals? How many spiders and roaches were burned alive for ALF to make their point? What makes you violence morally superior to anothers?

You are dangerous and your method of discourse is irresponsible. By the way, Ben Franklin condemned the Boston Tea Party as pure vandalism. Was he on the wrong side of history?

Jay

 
At February 07, 2008 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

Jon: The abolitionists were pacifists. They did not burn down slave quarters or threaten to kill the children of slave holders. John Brown was a terrorist condemned by abolitionists.

ALF is made up of criminals. Arson is a felony, and rightly so. Threatening to kill children is a felony and it is terrorism. "Liberating" minks is both theft, a felony, and animal cruelty since the animals will be doomed to starvation or being predated.

The fact is: ALF just wants to tear down, in my view. The animals are the pretext. They are akin to the anarchists of the early 20th Century.

 
At February 07, 2008 , Blogger jon said...

Jay Watts says: You fail to address the fact that human beings that have taken jobs as servants to our community are put at risk by these fires. Why should firefighters and innocent neighbors be put at risk?

Well the fact still remains that the arson didn't injure anyone, nor did it spread and cause a wildfire. If you read the media reports it explains that all the device did was "char the door" meaning it was probably a small device designed to do little damage. Thousands of people die every year in automobiles wrecks. That means that everytime you drive a car there is chance it may injure or kill someone. Does that mean cars should be illegal? Does that mean people shouldn't drive? Of course not.

Wesley J. Smith says: The abolitionists were pacifists. They did not burn down slave quarters or threaten to kill the children of slave holders. John Brown was a terrorist condemned by abolitionists.

That is simply not true. There are plenty of examples of slaves revolting against the plantation owners and abolitionists engaging in property destruction and violence. To even suggest that those who revolted against slavery were terrorists is just plain racist.


Wesley J. Smith says: ALF is made up of criminals. Arson is a felony, and rightly so. Threatening to kill children is a felony and it is terrorism. "Liberating" minks is both theft, a felony, and animal cruelty since the animals will be doomed to starvation or being predated.

When has the ALF threatened to kill children? Once again Wesley you are making empty dishonest claims.

As far as mink liberations being animal cruelty, that is spin if I'd ever heard one. First of all there is plenty of evidence that shows that many mink will thrive after being released from farms, especially in North America where they are native. Second of all if these mink were to remain on the farms they would be killed anyways. All these liberations do is give these animals a chance at a free natural life, as well cause financial loss to the farm. Also since when have you cared about animal cruelty? Your one of the biggest of advocates of animal abuse on the internet. You have a whole blog dedicated to promoting vivisection and animal industry. Do you really care about the well being of mink on fur farms or are you just using another talking point from the Fur Commission USA?

 
At February 07, 2008 , Blogger Don Nelson said...

Jon, thanks for making my point that you support terrorism like this to get what you want. You guys can't condemn because you support it. You think they deserve it.

People may die in automobiles and wreck other people's property, but it's almost always unintentional. When it is intentional, they go to jail. Your guys should be put in jail and get life in prison for terrorizing people as well as destruction of property.

 
At February 07, 2008 , Blogger jon said...

Don Nelson said: Your guys should be put in jail and get life in prison for terrorizing people as well as destruction of property.

Well first off I do not engage in these types of activities, all I'm saying is that these types of actions are morally justified. Last time I checked the first amendment of the constitution allowed me the right to speak freely about my political views.

I find your terrorism rhetoric to be misleading and dishonest, especially since no one on this sight can give me an actually example of the Animal Liberation Front physically harming
someone or threatening violence on children. We are talking about property destruction and maybe harassment, but not terrorism.

It seems to be a little silly to discuss whether or not the ALF might someday unintentionally harm someone, while meanwhile pharmaceutical and tobacco companies are killing millions every year. And using vivisection to reinforce it. Why is that not the issue? Why is it when GlaxoSmithKline killed several people with the drug Seroxat after covering up clinical tests that showed the drug was harmful to humans, no one cries fowl? Yet when the ALF commits a non-violent act of property destruction they get labeled as the #1 domestic terror threat. Lets talk about the real killers here, instead of making inflammatory accusations about animal rights activists.

 
At February 08, 2008 , Blogger Jay Watts said...

Jon,

You seem to proceed under a false assumption. It is possible for everything that you have pointed out in others to be wrong AND for the illegal and dangerous thuggery of ALF to be wrong.

You perhaps have heard the saying if you play with fire...well that saying comes from the fact that fire is difficult to control as is routinely seen and widely acknowledged. If these guys are so morally courageous where are they? Why won't they follow the tradition of civil disobedience where you violate unjust laws and face punishment. One can only assume that it is easier to make incendiary devices and threaten people than it is to convince others by the strength of their arguments.

Finally, that you see driving my car as equivalent to my making a small bomb and blowing up the front door of someone that I have routinely threatened and sought to intimidate on the basis that they both represent a risk to others demonstrates a moral cofusion that is staggering.

Jay

 
At February 08, 2008 , Blogger Don Nelson said...

Jon, keep the dishonest and misleading accusations to yourself. I'm not the one who supports burning other people's houses down and terrorizing them. You are. Calling this harrassment and not terrorism makes you the misleading and dishonest one.

I don't know what country you live in, but if you plant crosses on someone's lawn and set those crosses and the house on fire, it doesn't matter if the occupants or owners of the property are killed. You are terrorizing them and they are terrorized. That's not harrassment, it's terror. ALF and these people are terrorists and you are a supporter of terror. You can try and change the subject all you want, but I'm not buying it. Those guys should go to jail for whatever the maximum is for terrorism. I hope they get life, but I'm sure the law doesn't allow it.

Further, no one is trying to take away your free speech or else your words would have disappeared into cyberspace. What I was doing is trying to make you own up to what you are. Thanks again for making my point. You guys don't disown groups like ALF because you support them, just as you admitted when you said it's morally justified. You think they deserve it. Someone like you shouldn't be upset if someone calls you a supporter of terror under their rights of free speech.

I suspect you don't own property yourself or you are too rich to care if one of your properties is torched because someone disagreed with you.

 
At February 10, 2008 , Blogger Tracy said...

That picture you have in this post ... is that London's home? Your post implies that it is, yet an L.A. Times story says this: "... leaving an incendiary device at night that charred her front door."

http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-tobacco9feb09,0,969218.story

If the house in the picture is not London's, you certainly need to mention that in your blog.

 
At February 10, 2008 , Blogger Tracy said...

Also, the abolitionists (during slavery) were criminals. They were certainly breaking the law.

And you say that it's ok to torture and kill monkeys because they are not human and it's legal. Well, it was legal to torture and kill slaves, too, because they were looked at as less than human.

Before it was popular, some people realized that all living beings (including slaves) needed to be treated with respect and compassion.

Today some people believe the same thing. Hopefully in time you'll come to realize it, too.

 
At February 10, 2008 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

Tracy: Monkeys are not people. If it ever becomes illegal to experiment with monkeys to find cures and effective treatments, than that is how it will be. But NO serious medical treatment you have ever received did not have as its basis at least some animal work. Moreover, to compare abolitionists to the ALF is bad history. They believed in human equality and fought slavery through legal methods, not terrorism. John Brown, who murdered people in the name of freeing slaves was acting contrary to the true abolitionists spirit.

You should follow Gary Francione who unequivocally opposes the kinds of actions engaged in by the ALF. But I now know that the ALF IS PART OF THE MAINSTREAM of animal rights activism, not a shunned extreme. They have the approval of most believers.

 
At February 10, 2008 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

No, that is a stock photo I got off Google Images. I did not mean to imply it was. But it wasn't for lack of trying that her house did not go up in smoke.

Like I said: It is now clear to me that ALF is part of the mainstream of animal rights.

 
At February 11, 2008 , Blogger Tracy said...

You know nothing of animal rights. If you'd actually sit down with AR supporters, you'd see that the majority are peaceful, animal-loving (and that includes humans) people.

And the people who supported abolition of slaves absolutely engaged in criminal activity. It was illegal to house a runaway slave.

 
At February 11, 2008 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

No, Tracy, you don't know your own movement or perhaps better stated, I know it and understand it better than you do. I once thought that the violence was a separate thing from the rest of the movement. But I now know it is all one organism. Most animal rights activists don't engage in violence, but like you, they don't condemn it. They suppot it in their hearts. And that means the movement is not peaceable. If you doubt me, read the apologies by the mainest of mainstream activists for ALF in the book TERRORISTS OR FREEDOM FIGHTERS?

Housing an escaped slave is not the same thing as burning down a building or threatening a family with death. It is not the same thing as being beaten nearly to death, as a UK Huntingdon executive was a few years ago by animal rights fanatics wielding baseball bats. One went to jail for the assault.

And slaves are PEOPLE. Animal rights believers insult them when you compare their value to monkeys, mice, and honey bees.

 

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