Monday, November 20, 2006

Liar, Liar, Pants on Fire/ Your Nose is Longer Than a Telephone Wire

Regenerative Medicine: Pathways to Cure

This propaganda video, produced by the Alliance for Medical Research, is so filled with lies and junk biology that it has to be denigrated as anti-science. I intend to write about this at greater length, but among the whoppers foisted in viewers in this propaganda video, we learn that chimpanzees have been "cured" of Parkinson's using embryonic stem cells (I would have heard of this, if it had been published in a medical journal), that doctors "will be able to cure" quadriplegia and other diseases (not hope to be able to treat effectively), and that embryonic stem cells are better than adult stem cells because they are "less of a problem when it comes to immune rejection," (which would be hard since in most experimental adult stem cell research the patient's own adult stem cells are used in the treatment, meaning there is no immune rejection).

This is a shameless scandal that the media should be picking apart. They won't, of course, because the media isn't much interested in exposing when "their side" doesn't tell the truth. More importantly, the science community should come down on the Alliance for its outrageous hyping and deceptions. If people ever come to believe they can't trust "the scientists" to be straight with them, the enterprise of science will suffer the most.

18 Comments:

At November 20, 2006 , Blogger GrannyGrump said...

Some people have no shame.

 
At November 20, 2006 , Blogger Jason Rennie said...

I'm not sure IVF and birth control are the good they claim. But more than that, perhaps the whole thing is a spoof.

I hope so anyway. Otherwise, Yikes !

 
At November 20, 2006 , Blogger Jason Rennie said...

Why do they always talk about embryonic stem cells coming from "left over IVF" eggs ?

These eggs are useless for actually treating anybody are they not. They can't be used to save lives at all. The only place you'll get ESC's that are actually useful is from cloning at the moment.

But I guess the lies in this are thick and fast.

 
At November 20, 2006 , Blogger Jason Rennie said...

And why do they imply the SCNT works ? With the graphic of the human being.

And i'll stop posting comments now.

 
At November 20, 2006 , Blogger JivinJ said...

Hi Wesley,
I'm guessing the embryonic stem cell and chimpanzee parkinson's claim is regarding this story.

It is clear the study didn't "cure" Parkinson's disease in "chimpanzees." It claims "reduced symptoms" of a Parkinson's like disease in macaques , a type of monkey.

Plus, the cells were taken from monkey embryos not human embryos (as the video claimed).

Maybe there is some other experiment but if they're talking about the experiment above then they got it wrong on basically every count from where the embryonic stem cells came from, what kind of animal and the effect those cells had on the animal.

 
At November 20, 2006 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

Not a hoax. I looked up the Website. Thanks, jivinj. Huge difference, if that is what the source is.

 
At November 20, 2006 , Blogger Raskolnikov said...

A non-fictional solient green commercial.

 
At November 20, 2006 , Blogger T E Fine said...

Am I the only person who thinks that this is in bad taste as well as being misinformative?

 
At November 21, 2006 , Blogger Royale said...

As the typical lone voice of dissent...

I didn't think it was that bad.

I can't vouch for all the claims it makes, thus I reserve opinion on its source reliability.

They didn't claim that chimps were fixed by human ESCs.

They always talk about ESCs as being IVF leftovers because that is the greatest controversy.

Other than that, I generally thought it was fine.

 
At November 21, 2006 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

Royale, your dissenting voice is always welcome. But you are wrong when you claim they didn't claim to have cured chimps. I have transcribed the video for an article I am writing, and here is the statement in question: "Crippled rats have been made to walk again, insulin producing cells have reversed diabetes in animals, and Parkinson's disease has been cured in chimpanzees." The first two are mere distortions. The comment about the chimps is flat-out false.

 
At November 21, 2006 , Blogger Royale said...

You're misquoting me or you misread what I wrote. I'll repeat what I said.

I cannot vouch for the accuracy of the science. If you can critique it, please do.

They did state they fixed chimps. But they did not state that they fixed CHIMPS by HUMAN embryos, as was the concern of jivinj's comment:

"Plus, the cells were taken from monkey embryos not human embryos (as the video claimed)."

Your quotation does not state that they used human ESCs to fix chimps.

 
At November 21, 2006 , Blogger protectlife said...

Please expose this for everything that it is (and is not). The euphemisms, exagerations and outright lies contained in this are just the sort of propaganda that gave us amendment 2 here in Missouri. Thank you for keeping up the fight.

 
At November 21, 2006 , Blogger protectlife said...

Who is the intended audience and how do they plan to disseminate this video?

 
At November 21, 2006 , Blogger JivinJ said...

Royale,
Listen to it again.

At around 9:22 or so the commentator clearly says "proof of concept studies using early or embryonic human stem cells in animal models have shown remarkable results...." (my emphasis) and then the commentator lists the 3 supposed studies.

 
At November 21, 2006 , Blogger Royale said...

That's not what I heard.

"proof of concept studies using early or embryonic human stem cells AND animal models have shown remarkable results...."

"and," not "in."

The speech is slurred, I'll give you that, but I'm pretty sure it is "and".

 
At November 21, 2006 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

Nevertheless, chimps have not been cured of Parkinson's with ES cells.

 
At November 22, 2006 , Blogger JivinJ said...

Even if it is "and" and not "in" how does hurt my objection? The claim would still say that human embryonic stem cells and animal models have done such and such...

Which they haven't done if the jokers at the Alliance are referring to the study I've linked to above since that study had nothing to do with human embryonic stem cells.

 
At November 22, 2006 , Blogger Wesley J. Smith said...

You ain't jivin', jivinj!

 

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